It turns out the climate change deniers are right and the CRU emails prove it. Here’s one exchange that does just that.
From: “Michael E. Mann”
To: Tim Osborn
Subject: Out of freezer space
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:18:24 -0400
Hey Tim, none of us have any more space in our freezers to hide the Arctic sea ice. Unless we get a grant for some more freezers we won’t be able to continue making it look like the Arctic sea ice is shrinking.
From: Tim Osborn
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: RE:Out of freezer space
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:32:04 -0400
I’ll ask Gore to start up another ponzi scheme to raise the money for more freezers. In the meantime, just make up some sea ice measurements to keep the illusion going. We’ll cover our ass by harvesting twice as much ice when we get the new freezers.
From: “Michael E. Mann”
To: Tim Osborn
Subject: RE:Out of freezer space
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:58:44 -0400
I still don’t see why we can’t just have NASA keep dumping the ice on Europa while covering it up as “failed” Mars missions. Hansen really dropped the ball on that one.
From: Tim Osborn
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: RE:Out of freezer space
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2003 08:37:18 -0400
Gore wants us to save the ice until there’s enough for us to melt and put Florida 60 feet underwater. I know, I know. He should just let his 2000 election loss go; Halliburton stole it fair and square and now they’re getting the big payday with their Al Qaeda terrorism hoax. But what can we do. He’s the man behind the climate change hoax and without him we’ve got nothing. Nobody else could have peddled the nonsense in An Inconvenient Truth and gotten away with it.
So there you go, fellow climate change conspirators. The jig is up. Just be happy that we kept it going as long as we did. And by the way, I understand Obama is willing to let us all in on the healthcare reform hoax he’s got going. This one looks like it might be an even bigger scam.
That it Robert, keep the faith
You are the most religious person I've ever read.
Your faith in AGW make Christians, Moslems and Jews look like atheist in comparison.
No matter how much evidence comes up that the warming side has lied, cheated and misrepresented facts about every part of AGW theory YOU WILL BELIEVE!
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Unlike you I believe in science. A good scientist will always release his/hers test result or any data collected that proves the theory they are working on for all other scientist to peer review, especially those scientist who disagree most with the theory. When scientist like the AGW crowd release test result or data collection to only other scientist who are either funded by the same source (government) or are scientist who are already are advocates of the current theory and deny all other scientist who are not advocates or is not funded from the same source any results they release should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Now we know why the AGW crows always refuses to release their data until they have no choice. They are not true scientist, they are advocates.
Advocates like the AGW crowd believe their theory is right no matter what the data or test results show so they always make sure the data will fit the theory and will ignore, or misrepresent any data that does not conform with their current theory. The advocate scientist “believe” so much in their theory that they no longer care about the truth
Scientists on the other hand will adjust, change or will scrap any theory that does not match the test results or data collected and try to come up with a new theory that will conform to the test results or data they came up with. Scientist care more for facts and the truth then their pet theory
AGW scientist gave up being scientist a long time ago and they are now advocates who’s “faith” in their AGW theory leads them to lie, cheat, and do or say anything to make sure that there pet theory is proven right.
Deno
Give it a rest, Deno. The science is sound, the data is readily available all over the internet and the evidence of global warming can be seen.
[youtube 6j8SGs_gnFk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8SGs_gnFk youtube]
So what!
Artic ice as been expanding and contracting for millions of years. Hell as short as just 5 million years ago there was no ice at either pole. Guess what Robert, life on this planet did just fine without Artic or Antarctic ice.
While you keep pushing the melting of the artic ice sheet which sits on water and does not cause sea levels to rise you totally ignore areas around the world where ice is expanding.
Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
Deno
From your link.
"Oops - West Antarctic Ice Sheet not losing ice as fast as we thought"
"Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking"
So which is it?
<za href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8371773.stm">Meanwhile.
After the last two winters, Robert, it is rather hard to convince the proletarians and bourgeois of the validity of Global Warming.
Being able to sail across the Arctic Ocean would help. Perhaps some other large, obvious, catastrophe would do the trick.
meanwhile I raise your East Antartic ice for lossing mass the last 3 years with
"Antarctic sea ice up 4.7% since 1980 - where is the media?
5 Apr 09 – Yes, you read that right. The amount of sea ice around Antarctic has increased 4.7% since 1980. Yet all we hear about are the comparatively tiny areas where the ice is melting. Where is the media? "
http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Sea_Ice_Up_Ove...
Deno
Is that the best you've got.
Is that the best you've got.
"Is that the best you've got."
LOL
You might be too religious for my taste but your a fun guy to banter with
have a good night
Deno
I'd run away too if I were you.
We're only a few years from commercial shipping through the NorthWest Passage but I doubt even that will convince climate change deniers.
I'm having a very hard time determining which part of the post is sarcasm and which isn't. For example, is the term "Al-Qaeda terrorism hoax" part of the hilarity or not?
The entire thing is sarcasm.
I am continually amazed at the absolute gibberish pedaled by denialists (yes, that's you Deno), and their use of such low-quality crank reference sites such as Ice Age Now.
Their list of expanding Glaciers in Canada: Two? Does the author have any idea how many glaciers there are in Canada, much less Banff, or Golden, or Baffin Island? Here's a clue:
<url=http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/freshw... Glacier maps</url>
Now, normally I eschew the use of Wikipedia as a reliable source, but seeing as Ice Age Now states Helm and Place Glaciers are growing, let's go see what the adults say: "Helm Glacier (-33 m) and Place Glacier (-27 m) have lost more than 20% of their entire volume, since 1980…" <url>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_mass_balance... (references notated).
The section on Montana Glacier National Park is probably the stupidest of the lot (surprise!)
<url=http://www.iceagenow.com/Glacier_Park.htm>Glac... in Montana's Glacier Park on the verge of growing</url> A weather report of 3 to 4 inches of snow falling in a mountain pass in September (imagine!) followed by "I think this is yet one more signal that we're on the verge of an ice age."
<url=http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagega... National Park Image Gallery: Before and After</url>
C'mon, Deno. As Robert asked before, is that the best you can do?
Oops. my use of urls was not as expected.
Here they are again in sequence
<url>http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/freshw...
<url>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_mass_balance...
Glaciers in Montana's Glacier Park on the verge of growing <url>http://www.iceagenow.com/Glacier_Park.htm</url...
Glaciers Before and After <url>http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagega...
TNX