Cherniak should practice what he preaches and resign from whatever position he holds (see update II below) with the Liberal Party for his own anti-semitic comment.
I just wish that the reporter would have interviewed normal Jews who are still supporting the Liberals instead of nutbars like Jewish Women Against the Occupation.
Pray tell, Mr. Cherniak, what is your definition of a ‘normal Jew’?
This is the typical behaviour of people who hurl around bogus accusations of anti-semitism or anti-Americanism. On the one hand they make the accusations but then go on to make equally offensive comments against those they disagree with. In Cherniak’s case, apparently Jews who don’t subscribe to his political philosophy don’t count as ‘normal Jews’.
It’s the same with right whingers who hurl around accusations of anti-Americanism. They frequently make vile comments against Americans who they disagree with; see any right whinger’s comments regarding Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, John Kerry, Howard Dean, etc. the list goes on and on.
In the sad, deluded world of these witch hunters, it’s only anti-semitic/American when the comments are directed at those they agree with or made by someone they disagree with. Every other Jew or American however, is fair game to them.
So will Cherniak get the same treatement for his real anti-semitic comment as Thomas or Borys Wrzesnewskyj have? Not likely. The Liberal Party has obviously contracted its witch hunting out to the backstabbing Kinsella cabal and they’re clearly too busy getting hysterical over false instances of anti-semitism to deal with the real McCoy.
Update: From the netkook.
August 22, 2206 - By the by, some folks are asking why Jason and I are now paying attention to the likes of the (for now) anonymous “Big City Lib” and, in Jason’s case, Martha’s anti-Israel communications guy. It’s a fair question.
My grandmother, God rest her eternal soul, had the best view on situations like this one. “Once you’ve decided to clean out one toilet,” said she, “you may as well clean out all the toilets.”
Well, she didn’t actually say that, but I can see her saying that. And it makes sense, don’t it?
Pass the Brillo pads.
Will the Brillo pad scour away Jason “some Jews aren’t normal” Cherniak as well?
Update II: Cherniak’s official affiliation with the Liberal Party.
I am the Stephane Dion Blog Campaign Co-Chair and I sit on the Internet Task Force of the Liberal Renewal Commission. I am also president of the Richmond Hill Federal Liberal Riding Association and York Region Area Director for the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario).
Stephane Dion, the Liberal Renewal Commission and the Richmond Hill Federal Liberal Riding Association should distance themselves from Cherniak’s belief that some Jews aren’t normal.
Normal Jews. Jesus, what an arsehole.
Cherniak’s Quote:
I just wish that the reporter would have interviewed normal Jews who are still supporting the Liberals instead of nutbars like Jewish Women Against the Occupation.
My word: Ok, what he meant by normal Jews, was real Jews. Jews in Canada, America and any other country are not real Jews, not normal Jews. That are followers of the faith and not the people, not the nation. The real Jews, or normal Jews are the ones in their country, Israel. So what he meant was, quit asking the opinions of Jews that know nothing about Israel, because they don’t live there.
What he’s saying here and what I drew from it is that if you want the opinion of Jews, go to Israel, not radical freakazoids from Canada.
The poster of the blag is extremely unfair in debate and point making, as all liberals are.
It’s the same with right whingers who hurl around accusations of anti-Americanism. They frequently make vile comments against Americans who they disagree with; see any right whinger’s comments regarding Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, John Kerry, Howard Dean, etc. the list goes on and on.
My word: Yes, and it’s the same with left whingers who hurl around accusations of anti-americansm.
I can say the exact same for your party and be completely 100% correct.
You aren’t as innocent as you wish.
Ok, what he meant by normal Jews, was real Jews. Jews in Canada, America and any other country are not real Jews, not normal Jews. That are followers of the faith and not the people, not the nation. The real Jews, or normal Jews are the ones in their country, Israel. So what he meant was, quit asking the opinions of Jews that know nothing about Israel, because they don’t live there.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? That’s absolutely not what Cherniak meant; I’m sure he’d tell you that himself.
“Normal” Jews are the ones he agrees with. The ones he disagrees with are conveniently all “nutbar” Jews.
Well, to be fair to Jason, I’m sure he meant “non-radical” by “normal”. Just like if you wanted to talk to “normal” Canadians, you don’t talk to Rob Anders. I wouldn’t consider it anti-semitic as much as I’d consider it anti-”Jewish Women Against Occupation”.
Oh, God I hate that. The only thing we can go by is what Jason actually said…”normal Jews” as opposed to “Jewish Women Against the Occupation” which would imply that they are not normal Jews.
If he meant to say something else, he should have said something else, just like he’s condemning the targets of this latest witch-hunt.
This is what happens when you start policing language, which is why I have no time for it myself.
I call things as I see them, but even I have to acknowledge slandering the women that way is anti-semetic. It’d be no different than saying “normal black people do _____” or “normal queers have to dress like _____”. You are stating that because of someone’s race/religion/sexuality/etc they have to live up to some pre-concieved notion of what YOU think defines that group. This is fundamentally bigoted, and in this case anti-semitic.
If ‘normal’ jews are Jews living in Israel, then how can they support the Liberal party of Canada if they are living in Israel DWest?
Cherniak’s remark was stupid.
He should have used to word “average” Jew instead of “normal” or even specified his request to “jews who are activley involved in the liberal party, not just jewish liberal voters.”
Furthermore it’s funny how he points out the Jewish Women against the Occupation as also being “nutbars” along side Gerry Schwartz. So you’re a nutbar if you’ll tear up your membership over the party NOT supporting Israel enough but you’re also crazy if you do not support Israels occupation?
That being said, I’m pretty sure the Toronto Star did interview some “normal” Jews. A deli owner and some of his customers. What’s not normal about them? Lots of voters switch parties based on a single issue! If that’s not normal then Cherniak must have missed out on the 2004 American election.
My advice, don’t read Cherniak.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehole!
Matt Arnold’s comment above is absolutely correct. I purposely avoided “real Jews” because I recognize how silly a concept that is. The fact of the matter is that Jewish Women Against the Occupation is an extremist organization that does nothing but protest Israel. Like it or not, that is not a “normal” thing for Jews to do.
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/normal
Notables: Average, regular, prevalent, standard.
You’re up in arms over practically nothing. I’m not going to comment on whether Jason’s being reasonable in his accusations of the MPs or of Thomas, but this argument is certainly misguided. I agree totally with Matt Arnold.
I agree with Dylan. Don’t read Cherniak. Which I never do, frankly….it’s just a cess-pool of anti-Liberal and anti-progressive trollage at the best of times anyway.
Which apparently is fine with him.
As dylan says, the article does interview “normal” Jews (by Cherniak’s lights.) The problem for Jason is not that JWAO were interviewed and presented as typical - they clearly weren’t, in the context of the article. The problem is that they were interviewed at all.
Some Jews shouldn’t get air time, apparently.
The fact of the matter is that Jewish Women Against the Occupation is an extremist organization that does nothing but protest Israel. Like it or not, that is not a “normal” thing for Jews to do.
Actually, “normal Canadians” don’t spend a lot of time protesting Israel either.
…OMG, did I just say something denunciation-worthy? Shit…Kinsella’s going to have my library privileges revoked!
You know, at this point, Kinsella, in quoting Robert, must have written “fuck the jews” more times on his blog than Robert has. So I say someone count up the number of times he’s quoted that phrase and start referring to Kinsella as “Warren Kinsella, who has written ‘fuck the jews’ on his blog ____ times, ….”
That’s right Ti-Guy. Only abnormal people like you spend a lot of time protesting Israel.
I don’t spend any time protesting Israel. I am indifferent to the State of Israel. I care very deeply for Israeli people, however.
If you remember, Jason banned Nav Purwell from Liblobs briefly last week for percieved anti-semiticism. Now, Nav is pretty Right for a Progressive, and all he had on his site was straight news (with a few pics) of the Iranian cartoon contest re The Holocaust (both examples unfunny), and some links to an American-Jewish contest for anti-semitic cartoons (a few funny ones). Jason didn’t even bother to read the relevant posts before he pulled the trigger, and then had to apologize to Nav.
So, this has been brewing for awhile.
Oh right…forgot about that.
You care about no one you fucking sociopath. Not unless they somehow serve your political ideology of victimhood.
To be honest, I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Cherniak may not have worded it in the most asthetically pleasing way, but at the same time, I’ve seen a lot worse things being said about Jews which have been passed off as A-OK in other blogs.
Cherniak’s remark was a species of the new anti-semitic genus. Kinsella thinks he knows what a good jew is and is not and what a good friend to the “Jews” is and is not. It is Fascist political bullying nothing more nothing less. See our post on “Kinsella Gentile King of the Jews.”
There is something profoundly disturbing in Cherniak’s stance on Jewish Women Against the Occupation. Should one read from this that Cherniak is FOR Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine?
When so-called “normal Jews” are all out protesting against the brandishing of Hezbollah’s flags on Canadian streets because that organization has been branded illegal in Canada, it is ironic that Cherniak, the “normal Jew” seem to be condoning the illegality of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories.
That IMO is the most damning part of Cherniak’s blog on this issue. That IS indeed important and we should not only make “a fuss” about it but we should ask the Dion’s campaign where it stands on the issue of Israel’s illegal Occupation of Palestinian territories.
Why the hell shouldn’t he be in favour of Israel’s “illegal” occupation of Palestine? This “illegal” occupation came about because the Palestinians and their equally inept friends in Egypt and Syria attacked Israel in 1967. Israel quickly realized that it’s borders, as they stood then, were not defensible in the long run. Therefore, they were forced to expand their military presence to include Gaza and the West Bank. The wisdom of this was proved in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when once again the Palestinians and their friends attacked Israel. Had Israel retreated behind its 1967 borders right after the 6 Day War, they very likely would have been toppled by this second unprovoked assault.
Despite all that, Israel offered to end the occupation in 2000 at Camp David, but Arafat decided it would be more fun to continue with the second intafadah. So, until the Palestinians learn to behave in a civilized fashion (and stop the nasty behaviour like spontaneously exploding in crowded marketplaces and buses), they have no business complaining about an “illegal occupation” that they and their allies brought upon themselves.
It’s not a “normal” thing for anyone to do, but that doesn’t stop the lunatic fringe and their Hezbollah friends.
Oh, shut the fuck up, Flaming Panties.
…Robert, why did you let this troll back in?
I didn’t. It’s easy to avoid bans.
So are al these Jews lunatic Jews?
I’ve never done anything to “avoid” a ban. I’ve never been banned. You added me to some banned list awhile back, but I’ve never had trouble posting on the site.
We ask our Ranter again
So are all these Jews lunatic Jews?
I’d say so.
RR above wrote in reply to my comment about what looked like Cherniak’s support of the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories: Why the hell shouldn’t he be in favour of Israel’s “illegal” occupation of Palestine?
Well, Cherniak himself responded at Prog Blog where I reproduced my comment: While I support a two-state solution that gives Palestinians as much of Gaza and the West bank as possible - including Arab sections of Jerusalem - I do not support the group known as “Jewish Women Against the Occupation”.
I appreciate that Cherniak has taken the time to respond. There are two problems with his answer though. First, what exactly is as much of Gaza and the West bank as possible? One can infer from it that Cherniak supports partial occupation or, as some Israeli hardliners have been advocating for some time, a de facto annexation of those parts of the Territories where illegal Israeli settlements are very heavy. Not surprisingly those are found in prized region of the West Bank and Gaza!
And secondly we still do not know why Cherniak does “not support” the organization Jewish Women Against the Occupation? Is it because they advocate total evacuation of the Occupied Territories? Is it because of their dissenting voice? Which is it? Given Cherniak’s position in the Liberal Party and his implication in the Dion Campaign, I believe some Canadians would want (and have a right) to know. Those are important issues that have a very strong bearing on Canadian foreign policy.
Wow, the imbeciles who post keep lowering the bar when it comes to intelligence.
Normal Jews, means average Jew opinion in this case.
It is pretty evident. But looking at the replies to the post here by the chief imbecile, one wonders if anyone is over 7 years old here.
Jews against the Jewish state is a minute percentage of Jews.
Jews for Jesus are a minute percentage of Jews. And many Jews for Jesus were never even Jews prior to their joining the J for J cult.
Goodwin Ginger,
Thanks for the link!
‘Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews joined a protest in Washington, DC to demonstrate against the Zionist atrocities in Lebanon and Gaza.’
Now, right there is what I have been talking baout for months. It is the American Zionists who are THE PROBLEM in Israel, not the Israeli Jews.
Just like with everything else. The damn Americans have to be the Big Shots, (more like Big Shits), wherever they are.
Someone, preferabbly a Canadian, but an American filmamker would be even better, needs to do a remake of ‘The Ugly American’
Maybe someone will make a movie from the book ‘Losing Moses on The Freeway’?
Atheist Jew: you normallly refer to people here as “cockroaches” (similar to how the genocides in Rwanda refered to their targets). Now, we’re imbeciles.
Why the change?
In any case, no Canadian should have to care what percentage of people support or oppose specific campaigns, if the target of that campaign is a crime…like the occupation and illegal settlements.
I’ve never done anything to “avoid” a ban. I’ve never been banned. You added me to some banned list awhile back, but I’ve never had trouble posting on the site.
Lucky us.
Cherniak’s a tool, but that comment that he made isn’t remotely anti-semitic.
And neither was what that young liberal chap said either.
Actually, I think everything today is anti-semitic. Or objectively pro-terror, or anti-American, or anti-religious, or…something.
Ah well…widespread literacy was fun while it lasted, eh?
Smacktard literalism as the high point of literacy. What a long century this one is going to be.
Although I must say that it is rather fun watching the centre and the right tear itself apart with its own brand of political correctness.
I thought when the left went through the Zenith of PC and identity politics it was clear for all to see just what kind of LCD politics it engendered.
they learned it from the left. grr. stupid left.
Stupid left indeed. When “political correctness” first reared its ugly head, I earnestly thought it was just an issue of promoting more civil discourse. But, when the North York Teachers Association came out with a pamphlet proscribing “violent language” (exerpt: Don’t use the phrase ‘kill an idea’) it had gone too far.
I must say, I’m enjoying watching the fascists co-opt political correctness. Like everything they do, they present an object lesson to us all.
I don’t know about the jews or anything, but I am against raising the age of consent to 16. you too, eh Robbo? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
Jason Cherniak is not an anti-Semite.
He is a proud Jewish Canadian, a supporter of Israel and of Canada. He speaks his own mind even when it is not in any way something I or other Conservatives agree with.
He criticized and supports Israeli policy where he sees fit and desires a peaceful, secure relationship amongst Israel and its neigbours.
He supports freedom and rights for all, including Muslims and Jews.
For you to twist a comment where Jason says that a radical Jewish feminist organization that opposes Israel are not normal Jews is very typical of you.
Jason said this out of love for Israel and being perplexed that fellow Jews would oppose Israel and Israel’s existence.
Likewise, a group of radical feminists or any other group opposing Canada or Britain or China or Russia or whichever country they belonged to while our respective countries were fighting for our survival against the German Nazis or Japanese Militarists during World War II would not be “normal” (patriotic) Canadians, Brits, Chinese, or Russians.
This is self-evident.
Far from merely misintepreting Jason, you have intentionally twisted his words in an attempt to smear him.
It will fail utterly because even Jason’s political opponents such as myself realize he loves Jews and most every other group of mankind. He even seems to bear no ill will toward Conservatives nor Dippers.
Your empty libel falls flat.
How pompous and grandiloquent. You know, this is all we get from rightwingers these days. Nothing useful; just lofty statements communicating nothing at all.
I communicated a lot and yes it was lofty: Cherniak’s love for his country, Canada, his love for the country of many fellow members of his religion, and his love for other Jews.
Your and McLelland’s view that he’s an anti-Semite is insane.
Ti-guy: Grandiloquent? You are too kind to the wingnuts.
Nutters:
On PC: Well you wingnuts are 10 years behind the times as per usual. So it is only fitting that you are tied up in your own juggernaut of self introspective lead guilt. Let us just hope the world survives it…hell maybe conservative will come to be associated with learned again!
On Cherniak: He is not anti-Semite he is just a dumb guilt ridden memoryless fuck in Toronto. Jew or no Jew he just an intellectual neophyte with a better vocabulary than most wingnuts. Which is like being merely impoverished in a famine zone. But the logical outcome of his position is anti-semitic.
I can’t believe I’m defending Jason Cherniak…….
Normal means conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural. (dictionary.com).
The standard implies what the majority proscribe to. If you ask every Jew if they support an Israeli state, the “usual” or “regular” response would be yes. i.e the norm.
Jason, you have some pretty obtuse readers and even more obtuse commenters
I communicated a lot and yes it was lofty: Cherniak’s love for his country, Canada, his love for the country of many fellow members of his religion, and his love for other Jews.
Your and McLelland’s view that he’s an anti-Semite is insane.
I don’t think he’s anti-semitic and Robert’s just throwing that label back in Cherniak’s face. But you communicated nothing except some gushy sentimentality that is of no use to anyone.
Normal means conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural. (dictionary.com).
You’re right, Goodwinginger. Smacktard literalism. It’ll be a long century indeed…
Ti-Guy Says:
August 22nd, 2006 at 6:21 pm | |
I don’t spend any time protesting Israel. I am indifferent to the State of Israel. I care very deeply for Israeli people, however.
DWest replies:
What? Bullshit. You don’t give a damn and you know it, you think they’re terrorists for christ’s sake.
Jason said this out of love for Israel and being perplexed that fellow Jews would oppose Israel and Israel’s existence.
gee, gloria steinem must have him tied up in knots. noam chomsky - pretzled. he’s just another war on terror inc’er maligning dissenters and making claims that to not be on the side of power and might is to oppose israel’s existence. well, i’m not at all on this jason fellow’s side and i support israel’s right to exist. these women demonstrating are more normal to me than he is. does he think the women who sit in silence for the disappeared in chile aren’t normal either? they’re chileans, demonstrating against other chileans.
War on terror inc’er?
So you don’t support the war on terrorism? Bravo.
You are the problem. These women against the Israeli occupation live in Canada. A country that is lucky enough to have laid under the radar of the rest of the world for years and years and years. You all never get involved in anything, except for your blog posts. Which are worthless.
These women do not live in Israel.
These women do not know what truly goes on over there.
We do not know what truly goes on over there behind cloesed doors.
Barbarians are beating down the door of the last democracy in the Middle East and you all give them their verbal ammunition to continue the slaugher every day.
No, you’re the problem, DWest. Someone so stupid shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
“War on Terror?” “Hate us for our freedoms?” Bald-faced lies to drive the country into a unecessary and disastrous war. How on Earth could the population of a supposedly developed country ever have swallowed such ridiculous tripe.
Well, now we know. Too many DWests.
Get it through your thick skull, DWest. There cannot be a war to end terror because terror is a natural instinct among human beings, and will always be engaged in when people have no other options. Your own country has had enough domestic terrorism (unrelated to Jihadism) that you should be convinced of that fact already.
Now, get off the damn computer and go a read book, for Christ sakes.
A nickel’s worth of free advice for you, DWest: go away. Your trolling comments here contribute nothing and no one likes you or takes you seriously because you’re a deranged insincere uncaring nutcase.
I agree. I should ignore him, but I can’t help think so much of what DWest says is a reflection of the minds that have motivated the present US administration. It’s astounding, really.
I agree. I should ignore him, but I can’t help think so much of what DWest says is a reflection of the minds that have motivated the present US administration. It’s astounding, really.
Completely childish and egocentric. Rationalizing beyond any hint of sensibility. No empathy whatsoever. Banal. And scary.
actually. i’ve never said whether or not i support the war on terror. i don’t support the maligning of political dissenters by the powers that be and their cheerleaders. it’s insidious. and very dangerous for democracy.
Completely childish and egocentric. Rationalizing beyond any hint of sensibility. No empathy whatsoever. Banal. And scary.
It’s even scarier to see this coming from people who are supposed to well-educated and respected. Did you read Glenn Greenwald’s evisceration of Ann Althouse’s New York Times editorial regarding the NSA decision? I was completely blown away that this person (Althouse), a law professor, chose to pontificate on a case for which it was clear she wasn’t even well-informed about.
A law professor. Writing an op-ed in the New York Times. Unbelievable.
Yeah, I did read that. Intellectuals, if we can call them that, have a responsibiltiy to tell the truth and expose lies, I think, not be apologists for power. It’s one of my main objections to Ignatieff. Fundamentally, these people are liars. They know better, and do it anyway. Some of them are getting paid off too, I suppose. Which only makes it worse.
In Althouse’s case, I think she is simply very dim-witted in that she doesn’t know that she doesn’t know something. If you’ve ever read any of her blog, she’s seems to be completely solipsistic.
With Ignatieff, I have no idea. I think the media is annointing him for a whole raft of reasons, but bottom line, I think Ignatieff is a raging mediocrity. Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to even seriously entertain the notion of “Empire Lite?” You could easily make the case that the US will attempt to control the world, but you don’t necessarily have to argue that it will be good thing. And indeed, it’s not turning to be such a good thing.
Ignatieff would do well to go back to Harvard and keep his mouth shut.
he should have hired a fashion consultant. his look screams aloof harvard academic.
Ignatieff! Where did they ever drag him from? Yes, I know Harvard, isn’t there a return period or something?
The Liberals are self-destructing lately.
Oh well, GOOD! Maybe we can a few Green Party members elected, give them a chance to show how things can work with intelligence.
Between the good ideas and the bad ones from the Libs, the CPC, and NDP, we are starting to gasp in the vacuum!
I consider Stephen Harper to be a de facto American, but Ignatieff, jeez, he refers to himself in the first person plural when talking to Americans. *sproinng*
my prediction? if he doesn’t win the leadership, he’ll hightail it back to yankeeland so fast all of etobicoke lakeshore will spin.
From your lips to God’s ears. The man fumbled very badly at the inception of the Iraq invasion and I won’t ever forgive him for that. I’m a typical Liberal voter and if he wins, I’m voting…Bloc *cue ominous music*
Ti-Guy,
Vote Green and see what a real platform for people is about!
BTW, did you see the article today on how T.O. going to convert their mountains of trash into electric energy? Now that is a SOLUTION!
Funny how the Libs, NDP, and CPC are all getting an ‘environmental conscience!’
Check it out!
http://greenparty.on.ca/
Greens have one of the most neoliberal platforms of any of the parties.
godwinginger,
‘Greens have one of the most neoliberal platforms of any of the parties.’
So, links, comparisons, and an explanation of what you actually mean, and your opinion, would be nice!
I am tired of all the off-the-cuff labels thrown towards everything.
Ti-Guy says:
Get it through your thick skull, DWest. There cannot be a war to end terror because terror is a natural instinct among human beings, and will always be engaged in when people have no other options. Your own country has had enough domestic terrorism (unrelated to Jihadism) that you should be convinced of that fact already.
Now, get off the damn computer and go a read book, for Christ sakes.
Wow, Ti-Guy, you are completely spineless.
Terror is a natural instinct? Are you fucking insane?
A natural instinct is catching a baseball before it hits you in the face. Terrorism is an act of pure hate and ignorance.
Why don’t you get off the computer and go read a book, lol. Don’t say things people can simply turn back on you, you’ve done it several times.
Also, I plan to win the war on terror, with or without cowards and jail cell bitches like yourself.
ok I will make a renewed troll of the green platform and get back to you. G-d we hope we are wrong.
Moses was the first terrorist. Go read exodus!
Moses was a terrorist.
WTF.
Look, Ti-Guy, these are the kind of people that agree with you.
godwinginger,
‘ok I will make a renewed troll of the green platform and get back to you. G-d we hope we are wrong.’
That’s the spirit…open mind, check out the facts, and then decide.
That is how I work no matter what screaming nutbars who try to drown out everyone do!
It is one of our great freedoms, eh? Then we all hope we were not wrong! LOL!
you’re so right, dwest. in fact, the war on iraq was won some time ago.
sooey,
Does that sound like delusions of grandeur and invincibility to you?
Wow, we’d better be careful…Supernut is on duty!
Supernut was posting up a storm in the middle of the night, apparently. He’s probably sleeping it off.
…he’ll be back, though.
Ti-Guy,
Yeah, I wouldn’t call it posting it was more like a lonely psycho leaving slime marks on a blagh. No one was even paying attention. Pretty fitting for a hermorphadite low life like a worm I think!
probably just opened one too many beers with his brow.
We must say that compared to the neoliberalism meets carbon credit platform that the Green party of BC had in the last provincial election this is a pretty good platform. The 2006 Party platform of the GPC is almost, dare we say, social democratic. A little thin on tax, employment, and industrial policy but in the days of neoliberal and neoconservatism a most welcome platform to the left of the political spectrum.
Now if the NDP were to poach your environmental platform or you were to include support for unions we would have two nearly identical parties. Maybe the NDP can join with the liberal party and the remenants can join the greens and then we will have a modern social democratic party again in canada.
godwinginger,
I agree, and it may happen as a necessity. It seems the Liberals and NDP have spent their course and are divided. We need fresh ideas and people with vision.
I still hope some day the whole majority/minority thing becomes extinct and we can have consensus as the rule. Then the best ideas will come out as law and programs! That will require a change to proportional representation from the FPTP system they manipulate now!
Like John Ralston Saul said in his book ‘The Collapse of Globalism’: Part V ‘And Where Are We Going Now?’
Saul opens the section by quoting Antonio Gramsci’s Quaderni die carcere 1930
‘The old is dying, the new struggles to be born, and in the interregnum there are many morbid symptoms’
Saul then elucidates on the reality by saying:
(pgs 216-218)
“I don’t think he’s anti-semitic and Robert’s just throwing that label back in Cherniak’s face. ”
Exactly. A man of Robert’s type would prefer that the concept of anti-Semitism be meaningless. Then he won’t need to care when people label him with the moniker.
Then he won’t need to care when people label him with the moniker.
Well, since the accusation of anti-semitism that’s fashionable these days targets those who conservatives of all stripes hate, why should anyone care?
Answer that, Jason, instead of making drive-by swipes. And cut the disingenuousness. It’s beneath you.