The stupidity is piling up faster than I can comment on it. So here’s a round-up that will be updated throughout the day.
The First Canadian Casualty
The first Canadian death in this tragedy of errors actually occured last week.
A 20-year-old Canadian serving in the Israeli army who died last Wednesday when his tank blew up in southern Lebanon was buried Sunday in the town of Modin.
Staff Sgt. Yaniv Bar-on, who lived in Israel but spent his summers in Montreal as a youth, was killed when the tank he was driving hit an explosive device as he chased Hezbollah fighters who had just kidnapped two Israeli soldiers.
Sgt. Yaniv Bar-on, whose mother is a Canadian citizen, was a dual citizenship Canadian himself.
Fuck The Canadians
Shorter Dissonance and Disrespect: Shrug, it’s all your fault for not anticipating that Israel would start bombing your ass on your vacation.
George Jonas Is A Halfwit
He really is.
Jonas is an apologist for the Israeli military, and practically the first words out of his mouth are that Israel “didn’t mean to harm” the eight Canadian citizens it killed in an air strike on Lebanon yesterday. He goes on to put Israel on the moral high ground: while Hezbollah and other terrorists target civilians in their operations, Israel targets its terrorist enemies in the name of protecting civilians, and any civilians deaths that result are “sad, but unavoidable.”
These rightwing pantloads really need to disabuse themselves of the notion that Israel is not deliberately targetting civilians. They are. Tragedies like this are not the result of collateral damage. In order to believe silly nonsense like that, or that Israel didn’t deliberately target this convoy of civilians you’d have to believe the real target of the strike were Hezbollah militants hiding in the bushes on the side of the road. You’d also have to ignore the fact that Israel said everything, including civilians, are legitimate targets. So fuck Jonas and his support of Israeli terrorism.
Kate Is Projecting Again
Shorter Small Dead Animals: Shriek! The left is oblivious about the Canadian/Israeli soldier who died (see top item) that I myself just found out about ten minutes ago.
A Voice Of Reason
Via Dominion Weblog, the wise words of Rabbi Michael Lerner.
The people of the Middle East are suffering again as militarists on all sides, and cheerleading journalists, send forth missiles, bombs and endless words of self-justification for yet another pointless round of violence between Israel and her neighbors. For those of us who care deeply about human suffering, this most recent episode in irrationality evokes tears of sadness, incredulity at the lack of empathy on all sides, anger at how little anyone seems to have learned from the past, and moments of despair as we once again see the religious and democratic ideals subordinated to the cynical realism of militarism.
Meanwhile, the partisans on each side, content to ignore the humanity of “the Other,” rush to assure their constituencies that the enemy is always to blame. Each such effort is pointless. We have a struggle that has been going on for over a hundred years. Who tosses the latest match into the tinder box matters little. What matters is how to repair the situation. The blame game only succeeds in diverting attention from that central issue.
Be sure to read the rest.
Israel Rejects Peace
Israel is rejecting the idea of sending in UN peacekeepers into Lebanon in order to end the bloodshed.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert opposes sending international forces to Lebanon to help end bloodshed, Israeli senior officials said. Olmert instead wants Lebanese forces to take control of the border area with Israel and wants the Hezbollah militia disarmed.
I don’t usually agree with Jonas but he is right here.
Accoridng to you it is OK for Hizbollah to say that civilians are targets, we know Hizbollah intentionally hides behind civilians,
‘Here lets put a rocket launcher by your house, it is their to proctect you “
Clap louder.
Are those your own thoughts, Stephen?
let me make it simple - terrorists target civilians. which is why people who fully support israel’s right to exist are reacting “this way” to the latest actions of the israeli army.
and george jonas clearly suffered too many blows to the head during the hungarian revolution.
Anyone who goes to Southern Lebanon which is controlled by Hizbollah, should know it is not safe, there have always been warnings not to go.
Now they are demanding that the Canadian Govt protect them, what are we meant to do send in our huge army, planes and gunboats give me a break.
I submitted the comment above to turnitin.com. Just to be sure.
gee… southern lebanon isn’t safe because it’s controlled by hezbollah, eh… good one.
but i don’t think jonas is a nutcase any more than ignatieff is a nutcase. people who believe this tribalist stuff are stuck in a theoretical unreality. there. i’ve said it. “a theoretical unreality”.
Is that any different from irrationality? Because that’s what I’ve believe about these people for quite some time. I’m surprised at how wide-spread it seems to be, and how high up the social/educational/political scale it goes.
Is it related to anti-depressant use? Are all these people permanently on SSRI’s?
That’s just the plain truth, and anyone that denies it is moron of holocaust denying magnitude.
It should be obvious to anyone that follows current events that Islamic terrorism must be killed, at any cost. Israel(and anyone rational) will not get sidetracked by loss of innocent life, when they’re trying to kill an enemy that WILL NOT FUCKING STOP EVER, until every Israeli is annihilated.
Staff Sgt. Yaniv Bar-on is a person I mourn deeply, as he sacrificed his life protecting freedom and peace for all of us.
Go get ‘em Israel!
Isn’t it time for KotR to go? He’s sounding murderous now.
sooey,
‘but i don’t think jonas is a nutcase any more than ignatieff is a nutcase. people who believe this tribalist stuff are stuck in a theoretical unreality. there. i’ve said it. “a theoretical unreality”.’
Good grief! You said that? Excellent (wondering what the heck brought that on?)
Stephen Reeves,
‘Now they are demanding that the Canadian Govt protect them, what are we meant to do send in our huge army, planes and gunboats give me a break.’
Yeah, about as smart as walking through Scarbourough in the wee hours of the morning I would say. So, I honestly must ask why we, the Canadian taxpayers, have to rescue all these ‘dual citizens’ from the land they chose to live in? Sorry folks, but we are the wallets being dipped into to pay for this and it stinks!
Make a choice of country and live in it.
The left is oblivious about the Canadian/Israeli soldier who died (see top item) that I myself just found out about ten minutes ago.
Eh, the Right was just as oblivious, as the first I have heard of it was, unfourtunately, here…
Funny how that works. The Right didn’t feel the need to politicize the war… while the left was always ready to…
Really funny how that works…
Good post.
“Yeah, about as smart as walking through Scarbourough in the wee hours of the morning I would say. So, I honestly must ask why we, the Canadian taxpayers, have to rescue all these ‘dual citizens’ from the land they chose to live in? Sorry folks, but we are the wallets being dipped into to pay for this and it stinks!
Make a choice of country and live in it. ”
This is insane! How about all the Lebanese-Canadians visiting their relatives for the summer? Are they just SOL?
Ah ah every leftie’s favorite journalists gets it wrong again,Here is Rober Fisk back in 2003
And the signs were clear long ago. Take the article in The New York Times by Larry Collins – joint author with Dominique Lapierre of O Jerusalem! – which last month announced that the Syrian-supported Hizbollah resistance in Lebanon had 10,000 missiles that could fly to Tel Aviv and “leave in their wake devastation more terrible than anything Israel has ever known”. The missiles are a myth – I travel the roads of southern Lebanon every two weeks and there are no such missiles, as the UN force there will confirm – but this doesn’t matter. And then it will be Libya who has the most sophisticated C-B weapons. Or Saudi Arabia. Or anyone else Israel wants attacked.
What a twat, I suppose, some imaginary missiles eh?
here is the link for those who disbelieve
http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles230.htm
Reeves, Are there missles landing on Tel Aviv?
Dougie,
Now, carefully, stop and think! No involuntary knee jerk reactions…Okay?
There are those who are ‘VISITING’ and those who ‘LIVE’ there.
That is my point!
The mix is complex, as I am sure you are aware, but the one’s who gained Canadian citizenship, and their primary residence is in Lebanon are? Fill in the blank please!
We are talking 21,000 supposed Canadians. Let us clarify that figure with some reality please!
Get back to us when one missle lands in Tel Aviv, then we can start counting down the other 99,999. Fisk forgets more about the Middle East in a day than you’ll know in a lifetime.
Here’s what John Bolton, Bush’s Bum Boy at the UN, has to say about the worth of the Canadian/Lebanese lives snuffed out by the Israeli Military Juggernaut:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14035.htm
Read it and weep for the world we live in.
And Bill, you’re dissappointing me. What does it matter if they are Canadian/Lebanese or Lebanese/Canadians? They’re innocent people either way, fer crissakes!
What’s your problem with that, exactly?
arthurdecco,
You would expect anything else from Bolton? Not moi! He is a psycho fascist and fits right in to the program. Himmler would be humbled by him!
arthurdecco,
‘ What does it matter if they are Canadian/Lebanese or Lebanese/Canadians? They’re innocent people either way, fer crissakes!
What’s your problem with that, exactly? ‘
A reality check is the problem. I was born an American, no choice, no control over that fact. I CHOSE to be a Canadian and with it accepted the security and way of life of Canada. I stay here, I do not venture into the land of the insane, therefore, I do not ask anything beyond Canada being a secure place to live.
Were I to venture into an unstable region I would take upon myself the responsibility for placing my arse there, not the Canadian taxpayers. No, I would not be singing Aretha’s song ‘Rescue me!’
Now, just to clarify my point. Those who are VISITING Lebanon, as on holidays, and are Canadian resident citizens, yes, we should aide and assist them in leaving the area of conflict.
Likewise, I have no outcry for Canadians who immigrate to the U.S. and find themselves subject to the tyranny there. It is called Freedom of Choice! Freedom carries responibility for one’s choices.
I, having travelled the world, have always taken the responsibility to know the laws, the situation, and be aware of the hazards involved. It is a matter of personal survival. Fate is a BITCH when left to ignorant chance!
I see all you assmonkeys crying about the innocent dead Israelis….not
You people are a piece of work. You Arab asslickers are garbage. Luckily you are politically impotent.
PBUYA
Peace Be Up Your Ass
I think Rush has a point…
If we ever needed proof that the Atheist Jew is a murderous, racist, Zionist punk, here it is:
Bill, until a few days ago when Israel started pulverizing the sovereign state of Lebanon without any justification whatsoever no one had a clue that Lebanon would be turned into Gaza North by the Israelis. (And don’t give me the tired, bullshit line about their two “kidnapped soldiers” again, you usual idiotic/psychotic suspects - they are POW’s, captured during a limited engagement between two military organizations. Using their capture as an excuse for destroying a whole country’s civic infrastructure is something only the criminally insane could do.)
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These Lebanese Canadians had no reason whatsoever to think that Southern Lebanon would turn into a killing ground. We’ve been hearing for days now that Lebanon is famous for being a tourist destination for affluent Arabs. Why can’t you believe that these people were in Lebanon for the holidays like so many others were?
Why does it somehow have to be their fault that they ended up in the genocidal Zionist’s crosshairs?
An alarming article about the Zionist’s plan to turn the whole region into Gaza.
“One Giant Gaza Strip from the Caspian to the Red Sea “
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14036.htm
people who ride into internet debates about the war on terror on the backs of six million jewish holocaust victims should be vigorously ignored. they do it once, i no longer read their posts. they are unworthy of my time.
Bill, I see were you’re coming from, but the Canadian goverment won’t have any choice. You can’t discriminate against Canadian citizens based on residency; those holding Canadian citizenship in Lebanon who want to leave will have to be treated the same.
I don’t think we’ll go broke evacuating them.
i was referring to those people who defend bush inc/israel by way of the holocaust, by the way. and i now include in “those who should be vigorously ignored” posters who accuse other posters of not caring about how many jews are killed around the world - just because they don’t applaud bush inc’s/israel’s current actions in the middle east. i ran across it recently on my forum and when the poster denied he was arguing below the belt i wrote him off. he’s free to continue posting, i just won’t ever respond to him again. it’s a waste of my time.
I support banning because I myself believe those who use hateful or brutal rhetoric (directed generally and not specifically) reveal a part of their character that sensible people should marginalise and not give any platform to whatsoever. If they want to engage in it, there are plenty of other places in which to do so…such LGF and Idiotarian Rotweilers. I’m sure Atheist Jew is familiar with those places, but over there, he wouldn’t stand out….just a small fish in a really big pond.
i used to have to regularly remove the word “jew” from one of my poster’s comments. let’s just say he used it “too much”. he’s since stopped - although he complains every now and again about it. and you have to register at sooeys - but i’ll register anybody save one internutter who’s just not worth the hassle. i do put up with some pretty nasty sniping from war on terror supporters - they get personal, slander, libel - whatever dirty tricks are at hand. a post claiming i didn’t care about jews being killed all over the world was the latest below the belt bit of cyber drive-by. but i’ll probably start deleting posts invoking the holocaust as in any way relevant to the war on terror. those posts demean the memories of real holocaust victims. i find them outrageously offensive and can’t understand why the posters who make them can’t see that. and since none of them would appear to be holocaust survivors, either, i can’t imagine what kind of grand egos they must have to speak on behalf of others the way they do. anyway, so it goes on the internet, i guess. our egos are all larger than life. gawd. i’m like that dancing frog on bugs bunny, myself - so i can’t criticize others too much.
arthurdecco,
‘(And don’t give me the tired, bullshit line about their two “kidnapped soldiers” again, you usual idiotic/psychotic suspects - they are POW’s, captured during a limited engagement between two military organizations. Using their capture as an excuse for destroying a whole country’s civic infrastructure is something only the criminally insane could do.)’
Whoa, where the heck did you ever get the idea I said or thought that? They are clearly POW’s. Israel’s excuse, while dashingly romantic of old, is a farce of denial. They sent troops in, troops were captured. Now, when the Israelis start releasing the hundreds of POW’s they hold they can stand on some ground other than in the meadow muffins they are in now.
There is no justifiable excuse for bombing and shelling civilian targets, but that will continued to be said, and as long as Bush and the U.S. Zionists (not Jews, just the fanatics) support Israel, then nothing will change. Nothing has changed in my entire lifetime actually. SSDD.
Peace plans are always totally fucked by one or both sides (I have lost count of how many times). The truth is like the alien’s statement to Bill Pullman in ‘Independence Day’, when the President asks ‘What do you want us to do?’ The alien reply ‘DIE!’
As to ‘Why can’t you believe that these people were in Lebanon for the holidays like so many others were?’
I am not agruing that point at all. I am saying this…How many of these people, who have PERMANENT RESIDENCE in Lebanon, are now claiming the protection of Canada? Remember that it is not tourists I am speaking of but those who have abandoned Canada, yet hold citizenship here merely as a convenience.
Are they paying taxes, contributing to our country, economy, anything? I think that needs to be addressed as a reality point.
Likewise, the Canadian who was the first killed fighting a uniformed member of the IDF…What is the law about serving in a foreign nation’s military as a Canadian citizen? Is this another ’special exception’?
Other than those points I totally support sending all the rescue help we can to aide and assist.
Oh, and a thought I had last night…Why in Hell hasn’t the Lebanese government sent out their own military and police forces to arrest the Hezbollah rocketeers? That is where I start losing sympathy for Lebanon. It like the corruption in Mexico, just a different location. The crap keeps going on and the leaders turn a deaf ear and blind eye to it all to maintain political support.
My behaviour is pretty much the same as in real life, although I’m a little more understanding of fools I know than anymous fools that post their brilliance on teh internets And I don’t swear nearly as much, although swearing is such a non-issue with me.
If I had a forum or a blog, I would only censor (meaning edit/delete) defamation and hate speech. Otherwise, I’d just ban people who don’t play nice. Hey, I have no problem when I get banned myself (has only happened to me twice).
Bill, My diatribe wasn’t directed at you. If you re-read what I posted you’ll notice I directed it towards “you usual idiotic/psychotic suspects”.
You, Bill, are neither idiotic nor psychotic, or a “usual suspect”! LMAO!
I’m almost insulted that you would think I would say those things about you, lol, because while I don’t always agree with your opinions, I always respect your intelligence, experience and breadth of knowledge.
So there! heh heh
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How about retitling that piece to “Israel rejects peacekeepers.” Might be a good idea not to intentionally mislead people. Cuz, you know, there has actually been a UN force in there for years, who just happened to stand by in the past when an Israeli was kidnapped. But then, maybe another UN force would so some good. Like in Haiti, where they let a former Quebec policeman there to help rebuild the place get shot by thugs without intervening.
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arthurdecco,
‘You, Bill, are neither idiotic nor psychotic, or a “usual suspect”! LMAO!
I’m almost insulted that you would think I would say those things about you, lol, because while I don’t always agree with your opinions, I always respect your intelligence, experience and breadth of knowledge.
So there! heh heh ‘
LMAO! Thanks arthur, it was a tad hard to read and the ‘you’ part looked a lot like you had forgotten the ‘r’ in ‘your’.
No probelmo. Thank you for the kind thoughts and compliments!
Bill, I never forget the “r” in “your”. Please don’t translate my posts! If it’s gibberish the first time, I intended it that way…lol!
Well, I must admit that I have a hard time understanding why I, as a Canadian taxpayer contributing to the millions of dollars we’ll spend, bailing these so-called fellow Canadians out of the situation they willingly placed themselves in by choosing to live, work and pay taxes (if they do) to a foreign country, must listen to their complaints that we’re not doing enough to help them, fast enough, to suit them.
Am I a bad person to think this way? Are there only a few real, live-here-in-Canada Canadians who wonder why there are some thirty thousand people who hold Canadian passports, yet choose to live elsewhere while demanding equal rights with we who live and pay taxes here at home? Or is it just “politically incorrect’ to call it like it is?
Certainly, this point of view is not commented on at all by news reporters. Every news story I’ve heard deals only with how well we, as a country, are living up to our “responsibility” for these people.
Humbug! If it looks like a Lebanese, talks like a lebanese and lives in Lebanon full time by choice–it IS a Lebanese and about as far from a Canadian citizen as you can get! I have far more respect for the real, full-time, single-passport Lebanese who are currently in the same Israeli gunsight as their fair-weather dual-nationality citizens and have no recourse but to deal with the situation as their own responsibilty.
Am I a bad person to think this way?
No…you’re just craptastic to think anyone’s interested hearing your whining: WAAAH…WAAAH….They’re not grateful….they don’t live here….WAAAAH!!!
Sounds like you need a diaper change.
If it looks like a Lebanese, talks like a lebanese and lives in Lebanon full time by choice–it IS a Lebanese and about as far from a Canadian citizen as you can get!
God, I wish we could send Canadians who refer to people as “it” to a gulag in the High Arctic or something…
Knight of the Right Says:
July 17th, 2006 at 11:56 pm | |
‘I think Rush has a point…”
Oh my GAWD, what a shock that is!!!!
yea, they were saying how wonderful the Hiz were protecting them, well the Hiz did not protect them did they, their village was blow up stupid idiots, so now what do the say Harper should have protected them, what happened to Allah, why did he not protect them.!!???
I suppose we should have ships waiting off all the trouble spots in the world , to protect all those dual nationals. how about Hong Kong next, what happens if China cracks down, we would have to send a couple of aircraft carriers to rescue the hundreds of thousands of dual nationals trying to escape Hong Kong.
Stephen Reeves (the great)
Stephen Reeves,
‘We would have to send a couple of aircraft carriers to rescue the hundreds of thousands of dual nationals trying to escape Hong Kong.’
Uh, Stephen, I hate to say this but Canada does not have any aircraft carriers. We barely have any flyable aircraft. Did you mean some First Nation War Canoes?
Yep that is my point,
if israel was intentionally targetting civilians then why are they so inefective? if israel wanted to it could take out the entire country of lebanon in two days…but they dont.
why?
because they are targetting terrorists. sure civilians are getting hurt and even killed. but this is the price you pay when your neighbours are terrorists.
sorry.
but israel has a right to defend itself.
moreover, if hizbollah put down its weapons and gave back their kidnapped soldiers the violence would end. if israel put down its weapons there would be another holocaust.
if you think im kidding then you are delusional and should probably seek help.
regards
-Canuck-
Talking-point spew from some pinhead who can’t go two seconds without using the term “moonbat.”
Whats the point of Israel having nukes if they won’t use them.
Did you cut and paste that from somehwere?
What’s the point of Israel having rules if they won’t follow them?